Yes,
folks can really disagree on just what the
"Baptism in the Holy Spirit" is. This
probably has something to do with the fact
that our Lord. is bigger than we are. Our
hearts are still incomplete, and so they
unknowingly still lack some of His parts.
There are many different types of believer
exploring this website. Some of these are:
- newly minted
believers that are not quite sure which
direction is "up" yet.
- pentecostal/charismatic
"tongues-speakers" who walk close to the
Lord and diligently make use of
spiritual gifts such as speaking in
tongues.
- holiness
believers who think that speaking in
tongues is a disordered and unscriptural
demonic manifestation
- pentecostal/charismatics
who get "filled with the Spirit" maybe
on Sundays, but otherwise do not give
the matter much concern
- rare holiness
believers who walk entirely sanctfied
(in His Rest) with a lowly and pure
heart
- RCs who think
that only folks approved by the Pope are
"Saints" -it is a denominational
monopoly.
- diligent
pentecostals who also abide in His Rest
- highly
consecrated souls who are seldom given
reason to believe that His Rest is an
even better state than their own
- Holiness
believers who are proud of their
tradition and look down loftily upon
those who seem to lacking their sterling
character
- pentecostal
believers who are proud of their
tradition and look down loftily upon
those who seem to be lacking their
spiritual power
- contemporary
"Kingdom" believers who view His Rest as
"His Dominion" -something "the body"
will some time be globally and
sovereignly endowed with
- highly
indoctrinated souls who are so flooded
by words that they mistake them for the
glorious reality
- and of course
many, many more
Each of these would
give you quite a different answer, just as
if you would ask a Polynesian what the word
"weather" means, he would say, "Well you
know, -trade winds or rainy season."
Ask a snow-bound Canadian like myself
the same question and you would certainly
get a totally different answer. From my
experience, all the Polynesian knows is
summer -windy or wet. They get so
little variety in weather that they never
think to talk about changes in the weather
the way us Canadians constantly do.
The pentecostal/charismatics (#2
above) speak mostly about being
equipped with special POWER GIFTS for
service when they use the term, while
character appears to be secondary.
Secondary does not at all mean that they
entirely leave it out, even though His
completion of our character in His Rest is
certainly left out. The most essential power
gift is being filled with Spirit: the
awakening of the spiritual senses for a far
greater sense of His Presence in a
palpable way. The substantive gifts of
service involve various forms of revelation
and supernatural helps such as healing.
Although the public use of "tongues" is
discussed the most, it is actually such a
minor issue as to be not an influence at all
unless it is misused and brings
misunderstanding as it did among the earlier
Holiness denominations.
But I will let the expert sources below
discuss this whole Pentecostal view since it
is off the narrow topic of this specialized
website. Check out these and as many other
good sources as you can find on the web to
confirm this.
Bible.com
Destiny
Image.org
Assemblies
of God
Holiness
believers (#5 in the list above), in
contrast, use the term "the Baptism in the
Holy Spirit" to speak about purity of heart,
while power for service is primarily
viewed as flowing out of purity.
A grouch's stereotypical view of
pentecostal denominations could be:
"they
tend to act like the Magpie and bring home
anything that is attractively shiny with
little regard for its actual nest-building
attributes. This can lead to plenty of
hollow and fleeting low quality showiness
that is excessively shallow and has little
idea about holiness."
Some of this criticism may be
well-founded, but consider this -if these
folks have not been given the same insight
into Holiness that you enjoy how can they be
anything else? Reach out to them in
their need instead of judging. If you judge,
how are you any better than they?
"Therefore,
when you do a charitable deed, do not
sound a trumpet before you as the
hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the
streets, that they may have glory from
men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have
their reward." Matthew 6:2
The
Holiness View
These few pages clearly confirm what
Holiness believers are speaking of when they
use the word "Baptism in the Holy Ghost" and
"pentecostal"
One is speaking about being equipped
with an optional set of power gifts that can
be added to basic salvation, while
the other is speaking about a work of grace
that brings the essential completion of
salvation itself. The Power
aspect of the Baptism of the Spirit is not
excluded by most Holiness folks but is
interpreted along the lines of power
for a Holy Spirit empowered witness in life
and testimony -and power for the
publishing of the life thru the person and
in and thru the Gospel being preached for
conversion etc. (ie: the "conversation"
naturally flowing out of a pure heart)
A grouch's stereotyptical view of
Holiness denominations could be:
"Help!! Too many lofty WORDS, WORDS, WORDS
with too few living exemplars of this greater
grace when it is preached. Tasting helps
the hearing by giving it something to relate
to!" This criticism may be well-founded,
but before you judge, try to get into His Rest
yourself and you will find out that there are
real reasons why only a few succeed to enter
in these days. Just because we live in a
fast-paced culture does not mean that God has
at all lowered His price for His best work of
grace. It is still your ALL. Words are a
lot easier.
Reality Check
31
¶ "You shall make the robe of the
ephod all of blue. 32 "There shall be
an opening for his head in the middle of it;
it shall have a woven binding all around its
opening, like the opening in a coat of mail,
so that it does not tear.
33 "And upon its hem you shall make
pomegranates of blue, purple, and
scarlet, all around its hem, and bells
of gold between them all around:
34 "a golden bell and a pomegranate, a
golden bell and a pomegranate, upon the hem
of the robe all around.
35 "And it shall be upon Aaron when he
ministers, and
its sound will be heard when he goes
into the holy place before the LORD and when
he comes out, that he may not die. 36
"You shall also make a plate of pure gold
and engrave on it, like the engraving of a
signet: HOLINESS TO THE LORD. 37 "And
you shall put it on a blue cord, that it may
be on the turban; it shall be on the front
of the turban. Exodus 28:31-37
Instead of bells and
pomegranates today, one school of thought say
they would sew bells on their hems, while the
other says they would sew pomegranates on
theirs. Most end up doing little if any actual
sewing of either bells or pomegranates since it
is more acceptable to merely listen and boast.
But if either do any sewing, it is upon the hem
of their white undergarment of elementary
salvation rather than upon the hem of the
glorious overgarment being described here, since
for all their impassioned pleas to the contrary,
they both omit the robe of blue and the plate of
pure gold since as a rule they do not enter His
Rest...
Obvious Conclusions
Both types of denomination need to
get with the program. Pentecostals need to be
truly filled with as much Spirit as they
believe in, then find His Rest and be
established in it.
Holiness people need to stop fooling
around before they become a mere
footnote to tragic "Mainline" history.
First the leaders need to get serious
and get His Rest themselves. They need to
openly admit their failure, and be seen by
others as mere "earnest seekers" rather than
those who are already worthy to be emulated.
Consider this: if you are a Holiness believer
who has not yet completed his sanctification,
nor been "filled with the Spirit" -what do you
have? You have elementary salvation
together with a belief in sanctification and unbelief
about His Spirit. Mere belief is
unprofitable.
All believers should be aware
of their position in regards to His Rest. They
should know what they are missing by being
acquainted with souls established in His Rest.
All established believers should be within His
bosom. After this, some attention-getting
Pentecostal power wouldn't be wasted, because
then, if crowds came, you would have something
more to give them than mere talk! The blind
would see, the cripples would walk, and the
fools would become wise in Christ.
Until then both types of denomination
have no business boasting. There are rivers of
serious tears to be shed.
"And
my speech and my preaching were not with
persuasive words of human wisdom, but in
demonstration of the Spirit and of
power, that your faith should not be in
the wisdom of men but in the power of
God" (1 Cor. 2:4-6)
"Now, Lord, look on their threats and
grant to Your servants that with all
boldness they may speak Your word, by
stretching out Your hand to heal, and
that signs and wonders may be done
through the name of Your holy Servant
Jesus." And when they had prayed, the
place where they were assembled together
was shaken; and they were all filled
with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the
word of God with boldness (Ac. 4:28-32).
Personally, by God's grace, I am a
diligent pentecostal who also abides in
His Rest (#7 above). So I am a Christian
whose salvation is complete that also has
access to those much discussed and
misunderstood "power gifts". I
consider character to be primary, and so
cannot fault the Holiness view (as far as
it goes) since signs and miracles follow
those lowly hearts who believe for them. But
fireworks cannot rule -He must.
There was an old song that said, "Love
and marriage, go together like a horse and
carriage. You can't have one without
t'other." That is how I feel about
His Rest and the power gifts. They
are just meant to work seamlessly
together. And they do. Just
effortlessly, as if they were designed for
each other... But unlike many of my
fellow pentecostals I am very quiet.
I would prefer to just be quiet
until there is something that the Lord
would have me say or do - and then I am
not shy at all.
Tongues? I use them
silently during times of private strong
prayer, but regardless of that I find that I
have a completely effortless control over my
heart-gate -and He ever dwells in me -and I
in Him.
You have seen folks "fall under
the power" on TV? I have found that I
don't fall. I abide and remain
functional within any amount of anointing
easily, for there is nothing within that
resists it. And yes, -I do see
pentecostal folks that make me want to roll
my eyes and sigh about the antics they get
up to. There seems to be no end of it,
but that's folks for you. If it's not
one thing it's another it seems.(see Protection
from Deception) Not all
immature people are small or young, I guess.
-even if you have a backwards collar.
"Demonic" tongues? Yes, I have seen
spiritually corrupt fleshly tongues (and
prophecy) used to deceive others (in actual
church meetings) of the existence a personal
spirituality that they lacked (motive: to
obtain greater social acceptance). Yes, one
could say the tongues were demonic, to be
sure. If I would have been in charge of
the meeting, I would have stopped the obvious
disorderliness immediately before it got
worse. But in saying this I do not mean to
label all public use of tongues as disorderly.
One has to be able to discern -and
certainly not all can do this. Having opinions
is as cheap and easy as judgmentalism, but
gaining Godly discernment is costly. Just
being the "pastor" does not give you this
spiritual discernment! The job must be
done by a humble believer who is capable.
In
the law it is written, With men of other
tongues and other lips will I speak unto
this people; and yet for all that will they
not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore
tongues are for a sign, not to them
that believe, but to them that believe not:
but prophesying serveth not for them that
believe not, but for them which believe. 1
Cor 14:21-22
But repeatedly disordered tongues are a
sure sign to all -TO FLEE!!! (if they are not
corrected. If you do not flee, you will see
the Holy Spirit in that place do so. It
is a terrible sight I have seen more than once
in my years of attending "cutting edge"
churches..)
So in review, my view of this issue is
that this whole issue of definitions is
artificial and unnecessary, since the two
definitions do not compete, but are designed
to be distinct
parts of one another. I find that with His
help, I naturally and easily manifest the
positive characteristics from both of
the above long lists -without partiality.
For more on this topic see the "Charismata" page
on your left-hand main menu.
Earnest Seeker
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